My friend and pastor Jon Watson appears on this episode to share about one of his favorite bands, Dawes, and how he went from originally hating them to now loving them. We talk in detail about Dawes’ 2011 sophomore album Nothing is Wrong, before ending the episode with a conversation about my song “Wisdom (Find Me),” which was the Friends Club single in March 2024. Along the way, Jon and I share thoughts about the purpose and power of music, lyrical styles, and the Book of Proverbs.
Music Streaming vs. Music Ownership
"Are we entitled to all music at all times, or is a personally curated and owned library better for both artist and listener?" A friend of mine...




